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John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 4, 2010, 11:51am

Arsen Liliev ...the Emerging Star of the Armwrestling World...

John Richard Brzenk... the Best Armwrestler ever who has been dominating our sport for over 20 years..

Venue: Grand Cevahir Hotel ,Istanbul

http://www.grandcevahirhotel.com/eng/index.php

Date: March 13. 2010

Five Rounds Super Match

Guests: President of European Armwrestling Federation,Assen Hadjitodorov

President,Vice President and commitee members of the Turkish Body Building,Fitness & Armwrestling Federation

Charlie Minell

Ferit Osmanli

World Champion & Medalist Turkish Athletes Haydar Gildil,Niyazi Kurt ,Tuncay Basaran, Dursun Onder, Sureyya Ayce, Deniz Coskun and many others

there will also be a challenge match between;

Dixon Glory (India) - Omer Seyfi Bennurkan (Turkey)

WAF Senior Referees Mustafa Tavuskarli & Sener Arslan will be part of the event

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by caseyszparaga on Mar 4, 2010, 12:09pm

Can't wait!

Go get em John!!

Engin will you post the results soon after the competition.

Thanks for all you do for our sport.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 4, 2010, 1:17pm

hi Casey,

yes we will post the results,photos,videos etc as soon as possible.the best armwrestling web site owner (WOA) Charlie Minell will be our guest.

you are welcome!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by peter on Mar 4, 2010, 1:54pm

Good Luck with the show my friend.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 4, 2010, 3:00pm

Thanks for making this match happen Engin. Have you seen Arsen? Did he get up to 220 like he wanted?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 4, 2010, 3:42pm

thanks Pete!

hi Scott,i have not seen Arsen yet.he will come on march 11.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 6, 2010, 2:25pm

Good luck to both eroes and I hope that the King will raise up high his crown!!!
John go and get it!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by edmoehle on Mar 6, 2010, 4:32pm

It Should be a great Match and once again thanks Engin for what your doing for our sport for updates, photos, results etc. take care.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 6, 2010, 4:39pm

i thank you guys for the attention to this great match! John clearly is the favorite but hopefully Arsen will give him trouble! all i want is an unforgetable supermatch!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 6, 2010, 9:51pm

^^^I don't see how this won't be an unforgettable match. Arsen has that fast top roll hit that can give John trouble. Just like it gave Devon trouble today. If John can catch Arsen in a hook, I think Arsen will be in trouble. If not, it could be a long hard supermatch for him. Can't wait to hear/see what happens Engin. Thanks again for setting this up!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 7, 2010, 4:41am

if both pullers go for outside then i believe it will be a great one but John's wrist looked extremely healthy + strong in the video that i saw against Devon.you are welcome Scott! i thank to the sponsors and the athletes!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by edmoehle on Mar 7, 2010, 10:03pm

It's John B he will be fine !!!!!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 7, 2010, 10:57pm

^^^That's what everyone thought about Travis when he went to pull Arsen, lol.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by michaelphaup on Mar 7, 2010, 11:11pm

Mar 7, 2010, 10:57pm, scottwright wrote:

^^^That's what everyone thought about Travis when he went to pull Arsen, lol.

yeah but it doesn't seem like travis is training as much these days

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 8, 2010, 4:20am

John is way smart & experienced enough to meet Arsen as prepared as he needs to be.Travis underestimated Arsen but sometimes one's mistake can be a lesson to the rest.John is the favorite of the match and no i am not saying this because i am a pro American

it is my objective thought.the time that John had wrist problems i would say it could go either way but after i saw John's training performance i realised that Arsen is very unlucky to meet the best of Brzenk at this weight.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by samscott on Mar 8, 2010, 4:47am

Only one problem:

What affect did that training session with Larratt have on John?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 8, 2010, 5:26am

you mean any kind of negative affect because of the hard training?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by chriskaufman on Mar 8, 2010, 10:12am

Engin - Are you planning on having someone take a bunch of pictures like you did for the previous event? There were some really cool pictures!

I'm curious to see how big Arsen looks compared to John, especially considering how small he made Travis look even though Travis out-weighed him by a least 50 pounds. Of course size doesn't mean everything, look at the pictures of John's last match with Taras. Taras looked like a freak!!!

My prediction, for what it's worth, is that it will be similar to the Taras match. I think Arsen will will get a few wins up top if John is not able to slip out or turn him into a hook. If it goes to the strap, I think John will catch him like he did Taras and pull him back.

Good luck with your event, and thanks for putting in all the work for the armwrestling world.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 8, 2010, 10:27am

I know Travis wasn't in his best shape when he pulled Arsen, but that match wasn't even close. He didn't get one hit on his side of the table. I saw Travis with a bad wrist (at ROTN) beat Ron B. and Rich L. . Even an out of shape Travis can still beat a bunch of good pullers, but he couldn't even move Arsen. I think John can win, I just don't know if he will. This is a great match up!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnparton on Mar 8, 2010, 3:55pm

Travis has few people who can beat him at his own game of the explosive hit and doesn't have to play it often. He was definitely in the worst shape I have ever seen him, and even a little is huge in our sport. Wish I could be there to watch and support Engin who always promotes our sport

should be a great show and hats off to John for continuing to meet others where they are. It's hard to lose weight and maintain strength and the disipline he continues to show is a great motivator for those like me who are so far removed from everyone Go John!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 8, 2010, 4:26pm

Aslan Kozaev,World and European champion Ossetian puller died in a traffic accident last week.he has two little daughters and all the Ossetian pullers including Arsen has been shocked.Arsen bought his ticket for march 11. but since then his phone is off.i really hope that all is ok with him and he will be strong enough to do his best on this saturday.

yes Chris,Charlie Minell who is one of the most important characters of our sport will be over here to pass the excitement to all of you by pictures and videos.thanks a lot to him that he has been honouring our events!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by garrettstepsis on Mar 8, 2010, 7:13pm

Mar 8, 2010, 4:26pm, enginterzi wrote:

Aslan Kozaev,World and European champion Ossetian puller died in a traffic accident last week.he has two little daughters and all the Ossetian pullers including Arsen has been shocked.

Sorry to hear this, Engin. Aslan Kozaev was an amazing puller:

Taras Ivakin VS Aslan Kozaev

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojUjxIgw--M

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 9, 2010, 5:07am

yes Garrett,Aslan Kozaev was one of the best pullers in the world under 100kg.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 9, 2010, 8:05am

Terrible terrible news.

We are constantly reminded that no matter how important this sport is to us, at the end of the day it is only armwrestling.

I pray for Aslan and his grieving family and friends.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 9, 2010, 9:10am

A prayer for Aslan and family. Now he is within God and we must go on upon this earth.
Hi Aslan :'(

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 9, 2010, 10:32am

You're right Engin and we all must pray for his family

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 9, 2010, 4:08pm

just talked with Arsen and he will be here on thursday.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnparton on Mar 9, 2010, 6:54pm

My wife and I will be keeping the family of Aslan in our prayers. Not only a great puller, he seemed to be a great guy. What a loss to us!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mattporter on Mar 11, 2010, 3:05pm

So what's the scoop right now in Turkey? Did they visit the ice cream man yet?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by neilpickup on Mar 12, 2010, 3:14am

Scoop...................Ice Cream Man..................I see what you've done there Matt

NICE DARTS SON

Cheers

Fat Lad Esq.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 12, 2010, 3:52am

John came on wednesday and Arsen,Charlie and dr Dixon came on yesterday.Assen Hadjitodorov will arrive tomorrow morning,Krasimir Kostadinov may visit us tomorrow to watch the event.athletes made the weight easily,without any extra trying.

there was some fun conversations esspecially last night when we went out.John was talking about trying to toproll Arsen first 2 matches and if he loses them he is gonna try 2 hook moves and the interesting part was that he said he will try to toproll Arsen again if the match comes to 2-2 after 2 hook wins :-/

..

then Arsen said something as interesting as what John said.he said if he wins first 2 matches then he will go hook with John

neither of them drank alcohol but they both sounded a bit weird to me while saying these things

..

i just dont know what to think

i guess that is why we think that they are from different planets.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by samscott on Mar 12, 2010, 5:45am

Arsen better get started on packing his bags, because he is about to be sent on a long flight home. :-X

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 12, 2010, 8:18am

Mar 12, 2010, 3:52am, enginterzi wrote:

John came on wednesday and Arsen,Charlie and dr Dixon came on yesterday.Assen Hadjitodorov will arrive tomorrow morning,Krasimir Kostadinov may visit us tomorrow to watch the event.athletes made the weight easily,without any extra trying.

there was some fun conversations esspecially last night when we went out.John was talking about trying to toproll Arsen first 2 matches and if he loses them he is gonna try 2 hook moves and the interesting part was that he said he will try to toproll Arsen again if the match comes to 2-2 after 2 hook wins :-/

..

then Arsen said something as interesting as what John said.he said if he wins first 2 matches then he will go hook with John

neither of them drank alcohol but they both sounded a bit weird to me while saying these things

..

i just dont know what to think

i guess that is why we think that they are from different planets.

I suppose when someone is in a position that they fly halfway around the world to see who is the baddest armwrestler alive it makes sense. After all, what good is beating the best a nation has to offer if you don't beat them in their own power?

I cannot imagine being in this position.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by arturogarcia on Mar 12, 2010, 9:27am

Thanks for that info Engin, it only makes it more exciting!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by anthonyedens on Mar 12, 2010, 10:14am

Do you have any pics/video of the two together yet? I really enjoyed the video of the ice cream man with Travis. It would be pretty awesome if we could get an edited 30 minute "episode" from these supermatches that included pullers getting off the plane, eating out, talking armwrestling, interview specifically about what they have done in training and what they are expecting from their opponent, and of course the actual matches. I'd pay to see it.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 12, 2010, 11:31am

Arsen was about 200 (91kg) pounds and John was about 207 (94kg).there are a lot of pics but not yet on the net.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by tysonbeauchamp on Mar 12, 2010, 1:26pm

Engin cant wait to see some of these pics. Always a good teaser for the matches.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by solingram on Mar 12, 2010, 1:59pm

Hi Engin

I am looking forward to hearing how this goes!! You are doing a fantastic job, bringing these great pullers together..

I am wondering if some of us are thinking that Arsen is "out of his league??. I for one am concerned that John may have his hands full?. I am for John all the way, but think if it goes to a hook, then this Arsen is a bad dude...
Do you think it is better for john to "Top Roll?

again Awesome Job!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 12, 2010, 5:38pm

Some Pics of John And Arsen

Posing For Northeast

From Fridays lunch table

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 12, 2010, 5:53pm

Thank you for the pics, Onatkut.

Arsen is taller than I thought he was. At least he looks taller based on the first picture. He must be in fantastic shape to be that big at 90kg. It used to make sense to me when I thought he was shorter.

I wonder why he came in at 90kg when he could have come in at 95kg? I expected him to make the most of John losing weight by putting on all the weight he could have himself.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by justinkopa on Mar 12, 2010, 6:00pm

Arsen looked bigger against Travis...time will tell

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 12, 2010, 7:16pm

I am surprised at Arsen's weight, although that is about what he weighed vs. Travis so he is still very dangerous.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by maxmoore on Mar 12, 2010, 7:37pm

hmmm.....Arsen doesnt look near as bloated as he did against Travis. he is definitely not as big in this match as then, you can tell by the shape of his face.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by yuvalbar on Mar 12, 2010, 10:53pm

Krasimir Kostadinov is in very good shape i think he can give both of them a hard time.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 2:56am

Mar 12, 2010, 5:53pm, johnwilson wrote:

Thank you for the pics, Onatkut.

Arsen is taller than I thought he was. At least he looks taller based on the first picture. He must be in fantastic shape to be that big at 90kg. It used to make sense to me when I thought he was shorter.

I wonder why he came in at 90kg when he could have come in at 95kg? I expected him to make the most of John losing weight by putting on all the weight he could have himself.

While these photos were taken they measured their height as well with bare feet Arsen is I think 2 inches smaller than John so he is 6 feet.

Arsen says that he feel more comfortable at this weight because when he gains weight he says that he becomes slower

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 13, 2010, 4:48am

Hi engin congrats for what You've done! At what time will we kno 8-)

w something about the match??? 8-)

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 7:41am

At 5pm with local time competition will begin John and Arsen is the second match. I think I will post the results live, match by match

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 13, 2010, 8:04am

thanks onatkut!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnmilne on Mar 13, 2010, 8:08am

Thanks Engin for giving us what we all want to see.

All the best with the event.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 13, 2010, 9:36am

Getting close! Details, man!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ragu on Mar 13, 2010, 9:39am

what time will this happen Eastern time??

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 10:41am

1-0 arsen is winning

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 10:45am

John brzenk won after a great and tough match with straps 1-1

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 13, 2010, 10:51am

come on john!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 10:53am

Arsen wins 2-1

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ericwilliamson on Mar 13, 2010, 10:55am

I hope vids of this match are put up pretty quick!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 10:56am

inside outside straps how are the matches going

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 10:56am

They slipped, its a strap match again

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by guywindover on Mar 13, 2010, 10:57am

Their really doing this fast!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 10:58am

thanks for the updates

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 10:59am

Was the first match inside?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:02am

Elbow faul for arsen in fourth round

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 11:03am

one foul?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by guywindover on Mar 13, 2010, 11:03am

Thank you Onatkut!! Appreciate the updates!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by caseyszparaga on Mar 13, 2010, 11:03am

Thanks!

Go John!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 11:04am

they must be wars

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:07am

Second elbow faul for arsen after a strap match its 2-2

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 11:08am

WOW

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by aaronblevins on Mar 13, 2010, 11:09am

Mar 13, 2010, 11:07am, onatkutvaris wrote:

Second elbow faul for arsen after a strap match its 2-2

thanks for the updates

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 11:09am

How much of a break do they get?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:10am

Last match in a few minutes

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by guywindover on Mar 13, 2010, 11:11am

Any news on Dixon and his match?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:13am

They slipped we will now see a strap match again

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by maxmoore on Mar 13, 2010, 11:15am

damn what a match! its goin to the wire!! hell yeah!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:15am

Arsen hits hard john stops him at the final second. Elbow faul for arsen

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:23am

Arsen exploded insanelly at the go now there are disputes whether its a pin or not. the match will be repeated
Because arsen lifted his elbow but its unclear if he lifted after the pin or before

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 13, 2010, 11:23am

WOW!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by kennyflynn on Mar 13, 2010, 11:27am

this reminds me of the way our grandparents use to listen big events on the radio.Thank You Onatkut!!!!! Cool Stuff!!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by maxmoore on Mar 13, 2010, 11:27am

Mar 13, 2010, 11:27am, kennyflynn wrote:

this reminds me of the way our grandparents use to listen big events on the radio.Thank You Onatkut!!!!! Cool Stuff!!!!!

lol im about to wear out my refresh button!!! lmao

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by guywindover on Mar 13, 2010, 11:27am

LOL Ya Kenny you are right!! The Lone Ranger!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joannepoole on Mar 13, 2010, 11:28am

me too!!!! hahaha

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by caseyszparaga on Mar 13, 2010, 11:29am

same here!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 13, 2010, 11:30am

Only 18 members online. Where are the fans?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:30am

Again they slipped,it wil be a strap match

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by jimwagner on Mar 13, 2010, 11:30am

me too:) waiting to text all my guys with the results. im a loser

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by craigstevenson on Mar 13, 2010, 11:30am

I'm here!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 13, 2010, 11:31am

What a thriller!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by tomsypniewski on Mar 13, 2010, 11:31am

her i am

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by garygrender on Mar 13, 2010, 11:31am

A Nailbiter!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by hollyjohnson on Mar 13, 2010, 11:32am

Mar 13, 2010, 11:27am, maxmoore wrote:

Mar 13, 2010, 11:27am, kennyflynn wrote:

this reminds me of the way our grandparents use to listen big events on the radio.Thank You Onatkut!!!!! Cool Stuff!!!!!

lol im about to wear out my refresh button!!! lmao

ha me too I keep sitting here and just wanna know who is gonna win I hope John

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by guywindover on Mar 13, 2010, 11:32am

Its the middle of the day here so alot may be working.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joannepoole on Mar 13, 2010, 11:32am

haha im here on account of facebook waiting for the result to pop it into my status!! haha

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ryanmcmichael on Mar 13, 2010, 11:32am

come on john!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnshaw on Mar 13, 2010, 11:33am

im speechless! too cool

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by maxmoore on Mar 13, 2010, 11:34am

ima hafte buy a new mouse after this....

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 13, 2010, 11:34am

With the results so close, surely John would win if there was no weight limit, but either way if Arsen wins it's a great accomplishment for him. And............?????????????????!!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:35am

Arsen won the match 3-2 I can't answer any questions leaving the phone right now sorry guys

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by maxmoore on Mar 13, 2010, 11:35am

Mar 13, 2010, 11:34am, joshhandeland wrote:

With the results so close, surely John would win if there was no weight limit, but either way if Arsen wins it's a great accomplishment for him. And............?????????????????!!!!!

shouldnt be weight linits on any supermatches in the elite levels IMO.

Arsen is a MONSTER! wow!

congratulations Arsen! you have done an amazing deed! this is truly been a great week in armwrestling!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ryanmcmichael on Mar 13, 2010, 11:36am

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by aaronblevins on Mar 13, 2010, 11:36am

DAYYUUUMMM

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by davidhorne on Mar 13, 2010, 11:36am

Holy Moly!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by tomsypniewski on Mar 13, 2010, 11:36am

??!?!!?!#%#$%^

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by caseyszparaga on Mar 13, 2010, 11:37am

Thank you Onatkut.

Engin, thank you for all you do!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by onatkutvaris on Mar 13, 2010, 11:37am

Charlie got all the videos so he will upload to woa I think

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 13, 2010, 11:38am

Can't say I'm too surprised.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by kennyflynn on Mar 13, 2010, 11:38am

im glad its a competitive match!!! better save that finger for your match sat. Max!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by jimwagner on Mar 13, 2010, 11:38am

So good, so young. The second coming of Chr...JOHN

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 13, 2010, 11:39am

Congrats to Arsen!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by yuvalbar on Mar 13, 2010, 11:39am

its only a thriller right??

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by maxmoore on Mar 13, 2010, 11:40am

Mar 13, 2010, 11:38am, kennyflynn wrote:

im glad its a competitive match!!! better save that finger for your match sat. Max!!!!

lol ima need em all thats for sure! i gots a plan.......

this has been a freakin amazing week in armwrestling!

im so pumped! it gnna be on!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by hollyjohnson on Mar 13, 2010, 11:40am

Congrats to Arsen But I was really Hoping John would pull though and win :/

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by kennyflynn on Mar 13, 2010, 11:42am

Congrats Arsen!!! John you are still my HERO!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 13, 2010, 11:46am

Wow! Big congrats, Arsen! You are No 1 now till 95kg! Can't wait to see some footage.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by pozdnyakov on Mar 13, 2010, 11:49am

How exiting. Cannot wait to see the video.
I feel just like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNVuDXanxCw

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by jeremyplaster on Mar 13, 2010, 11:49am

For sure a huge congrats to Arsen. What an amazing athlete! I am more amazed with him everytime I watch him or read about something new he's done. He certainly seems to be ready to step up into that top place soon. Would love to see Arsen/ Devon.

And still a huge congrats to John. If not for him being him, none of us would know Devon, Arsen, Travis, Alexey, Underwood, Neil, Engin, Roman..I could go on. All of these men are here, in part at least, because of what John Brzenk has continued to do for 25 years. I'm proud of who he is and that he represents us so well. Thank you.

Engin, you're doing great things my friend. Another home run for your event bro! Congrats! And thank you for doing your part in building our sport as well.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 13, 2010, 11:52am

Devon has to meet Arsen and Denis in supermatches!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 12:00pm

after john leaves the sport, world rankings will be hard to gauge. It is hard for most others to travel. Wish there was money in this sport >:(

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by michaelphaup on Mar 13, 2010, 12:07pm

wow!!! wasn't expecting arsen too pull through.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by chrisheath on Mar 13, 2010, 12:09pm

I knew Arson had a good chance, he is a monster at 200lbs.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ericwilliamson on Mar 13, 2010, 12:13pm

I agree that I want to see Devon vs. Arsen next. A month ago I wouldn't have thought Devon would have a lot of trouble, but after seeing how much of a beast Arsen is and seeing that Devon is susceptible to a fast hit, it might be a really interesting match.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 13, 2010, 12:36pm

I wonder if Devon and Denis would come in at 209 for Arsen, lol.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by felixburger on Mar 13, 2010, 12:57pm

wow !! what does this say/mean now about cyplenkov, i think he would still lose to Brzenk, but win over arsen, cause arsen has maybe too little tools against cyplenkov... but maybe asren has improved this much since his loss agains cyplenkov and he would kill him now also..

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mattporter on Mar 13, 2010, 1:05pm

Wow, sounds like Arsen is a too much for anyone 209 or below, although I'd like to see a match between him and Babayev next, just to see how the styles clash. I'd like to see John go back up in weight and take on the big boys again like Devon and Goodridge (if he's really back).

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 13, 2010, 1:23pm

Omer 5 : 0 Dixon

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by dougletic on Mar 13, 2010, 1:27pm

lol... guess that dixon's right-arm-of-doom is not invincible after all

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by guywindover on Mar 13, 2010, 1:41pm

Mar 13, 2010, 1:27pm, dougletic wrote:

lol... guess that dixon's right-arm-of-doom is not invincible after all

Hey he made the trip and pulled!!!! Kudos Dixon for stepping out. You will never know if you dont try!! Congrats Omer

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by dougletic on Mar 13, 2010, 1:58pm

i agree.. very brave of him

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by justinkopa on Mar 13, 2010, 2:14pm

Mar 13, 2010, 1:05pm, mattporter wrote:

Wow, sounds like Arsen is a too much for anyone 209 or below, although I'd like to see a match between him and Babayev next, just to see how the styles clash. I'd like to see John go back up in weight and take on the big boys again like Devon and Goodridge (if he's really back).

Arsen would kill Babayev...only ones left for arsen are puskar, denis and Devon

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by marco on Mar 13, 2010, 2:39pm

unbelivable

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 13, 2010, 2:57pm

Mar 13, 2010, 12:57pm, felixburger wrote:

wow !! what does this say/mean now about cyplenkov, i think he would still lose to Brzenk, but win over arsen, cause arsen has maybe too little tools against cyplenkov... but maybe asren has improved this much since his loss agains cyplenkov and he would kill him now also..

Or maybe Denis has improved this much since his last match with John?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by bruceurabe on Mar 13, 2010, 3:03pm

so what are some details about the match? who won first...was it just back and forth?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by paulvalpreda on Mar 13, 2010, 3:03pm

Hasn't Denis beaten Arsen in competition already?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mattporter on Mar 13, 2010, 3:10pm

I think I remember Engin saying either the 209 or 215 version of John probably wouldn't have beaten Denis in their super match. I think it's going to take a bigger version of Arsen to beat Denis at this point.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by fabionimis on Mar 13, 2010, 3:11pm

Mar 13, 2010, 2:57pm, joshhandeland wrote:

Mar 13, 2010, 12:57pm, felixburger wrote:

Or maybe Denis has improved this much since his last match with John?

John Brzenk at 95 kg and John Brzenk at 103/105 kg are completely different things.

What has just happened today has nothing to do with comparing John and Arsen with Cyplenkov.

I'm sure that Cyplenkov would easily beat any version of Liliev, and the same would do Pushkar, and right now, after today, I think that Cyplenkov and Pushkar would beat the 95 kg version of John Brzenk too.

But again, the 103 kg version of John in Vendetta in Vegas is a completely different story, still the strongest/best armwrestler on earth in my opinion.

Anyway I'm very surprised today, if not a little bit shocked, I was totally sure about John's win, I underestimated too much Arsen Liliev....

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by pozdnyakov on Mar 13, 2010, 4:05pm

Right now no one can gauge Arsen ability against Denis or Pushkar, but Arsen himself. He came into January competition after taking 2 months off to heal his wounds. He pulled and won 225 lbs class against reputable russian pullers. He had indicated a priore, if his hits would not pin Denis, he would not battle. Denis came in fresh, and after observing the matches and taking them out of context of what has been mentioned previously, everybody would doubt Arsen's ability. No title or money at stake type of competition less than likely brings out the best out of its participants. Arsen agreed to pull John, and during last several months he had to get ready for this event, maybe the highest point of his young wrestling career.

After beating Travis, Arsen was the first to admit that he was not ready for Devon. Maybe he feels different now. I still cannot believe he managed to pull off such an upset at his young age of 23. I hope John shares his thoughts.

Thank you Engin for setting it up.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnnyedwards on Mar 13, 2010, 4:25pm

This is just absolutely crazy. Arsen is a MONSTER!!!!!! Great job to both pullers. Now if he pulls Devon though he should pull John at Johns normal weight instead of John having to diet down. I still wanna see a 230 john vs devon.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by dustinmorgan on Mar 13, 2010, 4:31pm

Congrats Arsen. I was pulling for John but had a feeling Arsen would take it. I'm just glad it wasn't a blow out.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by fabionimis on Mar 13, 2010, 4:37pm

Mar 13, 2010, 4:05pm, pozdnyakov wrote:

Right now no one can gauge Arsen ability against Denis or Pushkar, but Arsen himself. He came into January competition after taking 2 months off to heal his wounds. He pulled and won 225 lbs class against reputable russian pullers. He had indicated a priore, if his hits would not pin Denis, he would not battle. Denis came in fresh, and after observing the matches and taking them out of context of what has been mentioned previously, everybody would doubt Arsen's ability. No title or money at stake type of competition less than likely brings out the best out of its participants. Arsen agreed to pull John, and during last several months he had to get ready for this event, maybe the highest point of his young wrestling career.

Everything you wrote is surely right and true, but I must say that also Cyplenkov in my opinion was not at his best in january at russian tournament.

After tremendous battles in Zloty +95 kg final against Pushkar, he surely took a long time to recover himself without training, in fact he really seemed smaller than usual at russian tournament, especially his arms didn't look impressive as usual, so I think that Cyplenkov was not as strong as at Zloty in russian tournament.

So, today's Liliev vs last Zloty's Cyplenkov, the result would be exactly the same of russian tournament in january, the match would go that way.

Nowadays Arsen Liliev is the strongest armwrestler on earth under 100 kg, but I think he has not the proper structure to be able to face and beat the strongest in the world as Cyplenkov and Pushkar.

Arsen has smaller hand and wrist than John, he is really less technical and less versatile than John (even if he is very fast, and this is an important weapon for him...) and most important thing he is not able to increase a lot his weight gaining a lot of strenght from the point he is now (while John Brzenk is able whenever he wants to let us to see his super unbeatable version at 230 lbs, until his wrist/hand stay healthy...)...

Arsen just proved to be the strongest in the world under 95/100 kg, but Cyplenkov and Pushkar are different story...

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by stephenkirlew on Mar 13, 2010, 4:59pm

Where are the pictures and videos of this match?!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 13, 2010, 5:10pm

my elbow hurts terribly because of the after competetion pulls and i cant write long posts about it.i can say that it was a very close competetion and could have gone to either ways.Arsen won the first match with a quick side move.second round went to strap and it was a tough pull.John had the control but could not beat Arsen..then Arsen shook his head and said `no way` by meaning that John was not able to beat him then John said `yeah` and John won the match.third round was another slow reaction of John which caused a slip in a losing position that brought the score to 2-1 for Arsen.fourth round was in the strap and John had the control of the match and Arsen twice elbow fouled and score came to 2-2/

then the most excitement of the supermatch happenned in the fifth and the last round.

ok my elbow hurts and i tell you the rest of the story after a few days when my elbow feels better.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by darrellsummers on Mar 13, 2010, 5:21pm

Real funny Engin..................... Hope you didn't hurt your elbow that bad :-/

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 13, 2010, 6:09pm

they went to strap then Arsen hit hard and John caught him and slowly started to control him.then Arsen got an elbow foul.then at the re start Arsen hit harder and brought John to the position that Taras Ivakin Brought at the overalls of the 2004 Zloty -that John has won miracalously-.they had a war in that position and an elbow foul was called by me for Arsen but at the same time there was a pin as well.so i and the side ref were not sure if the pin was before the foul or foul was before the pin.so we all decided for a brand new match.they went to the strap and Arsen took Johns wrist and started to hit and finally won the event.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mattporter on Mar 13, 2010, 6:11pm

Wow, that's a sick story Engin. I'm glad everyone was able to agree in the end.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by yuvalbar on Mar 13, 2010, 7:40pm

i think the training session with Devon and John maybe cost both of them.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 13, 2010, 8:21pm

AWESOME!!!

There are no excuses to be made, but I don't hear any excuses. Just lots of good explanations.

Perhaps it is as simple as this: John Brzenk has a million matches under his belt that he has paid for with his arm. As he gets older he needs to be bigger and heavier to accomplish the same things he once did at 90kg. The man has done such amazing things in this sport that even now after 25 years of constant battle it is hard to imagine John's body beginning to feel the effects of time and usage- but nature tells us otherwise. Not even John Brzenk can be a 30 year old John Brzenk forever.

Arsen has done something AMAZING. To say that this would not happen if John was 230lbs is not fair to Arsen. Once upon a time John would not have had to weigh 230lbs to win.

John Brzenk is a living legend. Arsen has beaten him in a nail biter. Congratulations to Arsen for doing what nobody would believe had they not seen it.

What does this mean for John Brzenk? That there are two humans alive who can give him a good match? I think that is a long way from predicting retirement!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 13, 2010, 8:25pm

DJ SUMMERS:

after john leaves the sport, world rankings will be hard to gauge.

/quote

The best statement I have read in a very long time. Excellent point.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnnyedwards on Mar 13, 2010, 8:41pm

How did Dixon an Omers matches go?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 13, 2010, 9:53pm

Omer 5-0

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by loganschuetzle on Mar 13, 2010, 10:11pm

Engin said this will not effect world rankings, only 95k. Arsen will be #1 at 95k. 225 John would not have as much trouble with Arsen.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by samscott on Mar 13, 2010, 10:16pm

Arsen found a time when Brzenk was fatigued after the practice war with Larratt

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by bruceurabe on Mar 13, 2010, 10:32pm

Geez people....stop making excuses for John. John doesn't make any and neither should the rest of us. He said he was ready. He didn't pull the Arnold and I'm sure he felt he was more than well rested. Good job Arsen. We knew he wold be a FORCE to be wreckin with and he just proved it. John's still the greatest. If anything his session with Devon helped him and just shows how bad ass Arsen is.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnnyedwards on Mar 13, 2010, 10:34pm

I know it was 5-0 but did he slow omer down any?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by loganschuetzle on Mar 13, 2010, 11:11pm

Mar 13, 2010, 10:16pm, samscott wrote:

Arsen found a time when Brzenk was fatigued after the practice war with Larratt

He went up to Vancouver to get ready for Arsen. You think he would have went up there if he thought it was gonna hurt his chances in Turkey?? John probably has no excuses. Yes the 225 john could probably beat Arsen. Ive talked to someone that trained with him, there is a big difference between the 205ish John and 225ish.

John will still be ranked ahead of him in the world rankings. The match was just to decide the 95k best in the world.

My question is, is this 3-2 outcome convincing enough to put John below Arsen at 209 with all that John has accomplished at that weight. He has beaten a lot of top heavyweights at 209. I can see it going either way.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by samscott on Mar 14, 2010, 12:13am

Mar 13, 2010, 10:32pm, bruceurabe wrote:

Geez people....stop making excuses for John. John doesn't make any and neither should the rest of us. He said he was ready. He didn't pull the Arnold and I'm sure he felt he was more than well rested. Good job Arsen. We knew he wold be a FORCE to be wreckin with and he just proved it. John's still the greatest. If anything his session with Devon helped him and just shows how bad ass Arsen is.

Yes, but also, didn't Larratt fall flat during the Arnolds -- as I remember? How do the " Kings of the Table" unexpectantly lose matches 1 week apart -- Coincidence? Me thinks not.

These queries need to be addressed.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 14, 2010, 12:21am

^Larratt made no excuses, John hasn't, I'm pretty sure John and Devon know when to train and when to rest to be 100%.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by kennyflynn on Mar 14, 2010, 12:42am

Dont take any thing away from Arsen. I dont care WHO you are. Anytime you cut 10, 15, Possibly 20 plus pounds .It will have an effect on you........................

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 14, 2010, 3:05am

John has said that he had good chance of beating Ciplenkov if he pulled him yesterday.he probably was about 215 on the competetion day.he didnt mention anything about Devon training.i asked him that if Ciplenkov could beat him yesterday but he didnt think so.

Arsen will be ranked over John in 95kg rankings and will be ranked 3. at the top 10 world rankings right below John.

i really dont understand how people can claim that Denis` win against Arsen means something while Arsen pulled 100kg category and won but Denis directly start pulling the overalls without competing the regular class.

Omer just easily beat Dixon even in his best spots after giving him chance to apply everything he has.after his match against Dixon Omer also pulled training matches against Krasimir Kostadinov who is 2008 WAF and 2009 EAF champion and they had minute long hook matches.Krasimir won but the difference was only the endurance even though Omer pulled 5 round supermatch with letting his opponent applying all he has after long set ups.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 14, 2010, 3:18am

if Arsen keeps doing what he has been doing for 20 more years then he will be as great as John.till then John is the greatest ever by light years ahead of anyone.Arsen has great respect for John and we all had a great time after the event at the dinner.

the best part of the event was both John and Arsen were ready to accept the victory of their opponent during the 5. match discussions.i wanted to declare a tie as both athletes performed so great and it was gonna be a shame to declare a winner by a ref desicion when it was unclear.but the sponsor Mehmet Colakoglu wanted everything to continue as planned -best out of 5- and then we decided to repeat the 5. round which ended by Arsen`s victory.

the way that John behaved before-during and after the match should be a lesson for anyone.it was as good as his armwrestling career if not better.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by bruceurabe on Mar 14, 2010, 3:39am

well said engin. sam...that only means john had a whole extra week more to recover than Devon....so just give up on that. Also btw it sounds the matches weren't decidedly in Arsens favor either. Sounds a lot like John and Taras, or Travis. They are quicker it seems and he has to fight to get back. Easily could have been the other way around minus fouls I think.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by justinkopa on Mar 14, 2010, 9:08am

Mar 14, 2010, 12:13am, samscott wrote:

Mar 13, 2010, 10:32pm, bruceurabe wrote:

How bout ummmmmmmmmm....maybe Don and Arsen were better armwrestlers on their respective days then Devon and John were...sounds right to me...congrats Arsen and Don for beating the unbeatables with no excuses

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by danialworely on Mar 14, 2010, 10:00am

great job Arsen but john is still my HERO................. 8-)

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by danialworely on Mar 14, 2010, 10:16am

oh and where is the video

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by neilpickup on Mar 14, 2010, 10:23am

Charlie was at the event and is still in Istanbul

I would expect to see a video either Monday Night C.E.T. or possibly Tuesday on World of Armwrestling.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 14, 2010, 12:05pm

John is a hero for most of us if not for all of us..respect is given when it is deserved and John deserves all the respect in the world..

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 14, 2010, 12:05pm

Great job to Engin! This match up was great! I think what people need to recognize is how good John still is. There is no one in this world who could cut to 209 and hang with Arsen. Look at the top ten, does anyone see Devon - Pushkar - Cyplenkov - Underwood - Bath cuting to 209 and beating Arsen? I don't think so! This also shows how good Arsen is at 200lbs. The fact that John is about 215-220 most of the time and is still #2 in the world is amazing, considering some of the guys on the top 10 list are 50-100lbs heavier than him.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnnyedwards on Mar 14, 2010, 12:11pm

Thats cool Engin. Looks like it's back to the drawing boards for Dixon. Glad he went an pulled though gives him an idea of how strong he has to be. That was awesome that Omer let him apply all of his power.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mathewhelmer on Mar 14, 2010, 12:19pm

Mar 14, 2010, 9:08am, justinkopa wrote:

Mar 14, 2010, 12:13am, samscott wrote:

Exactly. There needs to be upsets or even the best can get complacent. The King (John) an the Crown Prince (Devon) of Armwrestling will now have a bigger reason to train harder.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 14, 2010, 12:22pm

hi Scott,

you are welcome.it was an honour to host such an event in istanbul.it was also great to chat with John about so many armwrestling related subjects.the guy is way too humble and that must be one of the reasons him to be as dominating as he has been.

John has nothing to prove,his record speaks.if Arsen continues this way till 2030 then he will be as good as John Brzenk.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by tbagent on Mar 14, 2010, 12:55pm

Forget John, ARSON is my HERO!!!!

I tried at 23 to beat the great John Brzenk, it didn't work out for me as it did for Arson... I hope he is as proud as I think I would have been!!!!!

Great job young man!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 14, 2010, 1:59pm

Mar 14, 2010, 12:11pm, johnnyedwards wrote:

Thats cool Engin. Looks like it's back to the drawing boards for Dixon. Glad he went an pulled though gives him an idea of how strong he has to be. That was awesome that Omer let him apply all of his power.

Omer was way too ahead of Dixon,this was something that i knew before the match.Dixon was happy about his trip.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mattporter on Mar 14, 2010, 2:08pm

Cool pic from World of Armwrestling:

[image]

Engin, which match did you think was the best of the 5?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 14, 2010, 5:48pm

the matches that Arsen won in 1. and 3. rounds werent so exciting but the matches that John won in 2. and 4. rounds were very exciting because they were hard matches.the 5. round was the most exciting round.it was a crazy crazy match that i dont remember how long it took.it probably did not take any longer than 20 seconds but it made everyone feel like eternity.Arsen was so close to pin John but his elbow was so close to be out as well.

the truth is that it was so hard to ref them but i did not want it to finish because i could watch them pulling best out of 50 or 100.i was so into the match that i even showed a refs grip sign instead of strap sign when they slipped on the 5. round.it was so cool to watch them pulling that close.before the event i told both athletes that i wasnt gonna foul them for little movements at the set up because i wanted them to pull.also they were allowed to rest up to 4-5 minutes between the rounds.i wish they both were my training partners and i could watch them pulling every week.it was the first time ever that Arsen`s wrist was toprolled.also was the first time that John lost at his weight category after probably 25 years.something great happenned when i was confussed to make the desicion after the fifth round.both athletes were ok with their opponent to be called as winner but i really didnt know if the pin or the foul happenned before.so at the end we decided for a re-match all together.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by armtv on Mar 14, 2010, 6:30pm

My bad..didn't post this John Brzenk interview talking the Arsen Match and more specifically how weight was going to play a role.

http://www.myarmtv.com/player.php?id=2232

also talks Devon Larratt training session

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by mattporter on Mar 14, 2010, 7:18pm

Engin, what do you think about a Babayev vs Liliev matchup at 90kg? Would it be a tough match for Arsen?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 15, 2010, 6:17am

i think Arsen will be the favorite but it will be up to how the ref will do the set up.if Rustam starts in a half hook already then he wins but if the ref starts them fair and square then Arsen wins,jmo.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 15, 2010, 6:25am

Mar 14, 2010, 6:30pm, armtv wrote:

My bad..didn't post this John Brzenk interview talking the Arsen Match and more specifically how weight was going to play a role.

http://www.myarmtv.com/player.php?id=2232

also talks Devon Larratt training session

on the competetion day John was as heavy as he was during the training with Larratt.but i agree that 225-230 John would beat 202 Arsen.John was about 100 kg=220 day after he pulled Arsen,so i am guessing that he was about 215 at the time that he pulled Arsen.

IMO they were very evenly.another interesting thing was that almost all of the spectators believed that John was gonna win but when John tried to control Arsen and lost the first match quickly the crowd altogether said " hass.ktir" which can be translated as "holy crap" reaction.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by patrickpearson on Mar 15, 2010, 8:26am

when is the video going to be up Egin.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 15, 2010, 9:38am

Charlie went to home today.so he will probably upload them anytime.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by arturogarcia on Mar 15, 2010, 10:42am

Mar 13, 2010, 8:21pm, johnwilson wrote:

AWESOME!!!
Perhaps it is as simple as this: John Brzenk has a million matches under his belt that he has paid for with his arm. As he gets older he needs to be bigger and heavier to accomplish the same things he once did at 90kg. The man has done such amazing things in this sport that even now after 25 years of constant battle it is hard to imagine John's body beginning to feel the effects of time and usage- but nature tells us otherwise. Not even John Brzenk can be a 30 year old John Brzenk forever.

Arsen has done something AMAZING. To say that this would not happen if John was 230lbs is not fair to Arsen. Once upon a time John would not have had to weigh 230lbs to win.

I like this post by John Wilson a lot. Can't wait to see video!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by dixonglory on Mar 15, 2010, 11:49am

I thank engin and omer for giving me a serious occasion to assess myself as an arm wrestler. I thank all of u for spending time on discussing about me.

I have spent more than half of my one month salary for the trip to ISTANBUL. but i feel it worth the money.

In my life time i never dreamed to meet in person the heroes of the sports that i luv most. Without entering the USA it worked out for me.

I discussed arm wrestling with the legends like John Arsen Engin and Charlie. Assessed my level as an armwrestler.

i realize that if i can improve my power to 1.5times the present level i have a chance to compete in the highest level.

i gained a lot by discussing with John ENGIN and ARSEN.

WE discussed how the Russians are training .. how DEVON is training. hope i can convert those informations to my gains in the coming one year.

thanku all.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by jeremyplaster on Mar 15, 2010, 1:31pm

Very cool post Dr. Glory.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by jeremydurfee on Mar 15, 2010, 2:44pm

what website will the video be posted on when it is uploaded?

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by arturogarcia on Mar 15, 2010, 2:52pm

There are now new pics here: http://www.worldofarmwrestling.com/

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by johnwilson on Mar 15, 2010, 3:28pm

Agree with Jeremy. Dr Glory get my ultimate respect for putting everything on the line to pull the best out there.

It is easy for Americans and Canadians to forget how easy we have it. We are surrounded by talented armwrestlers and the opportunity to challenge others. We don't have to sacrifice half our earnings to go take a shot at a big event and we have multiple levels of competitions available where we can swim with fish on our own level as we improve.

Can't wait to see all of these matches!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by omerbennurkan on Mar 15, 2010, 4:19pm

I want to thank also dr. dixon for being here and the courage he has shown.Because ı went there at the day the match took place ı only could chat with Mr. Dixon just enough to see how much passion he has to this sport.I've been doing this sport since 1994 and since then there were only a few guys ı met who had such interest and curiosity as much as He had and therefor I believe he will get to that point he wants at some time.Finally ı wanna tell him to just keep that heat up he has already and be more patient cause nothing in this world happens in no time.I also wanna thank Engin for training me well and giving me the opportunity to pull in a such great event.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by yuvalbar on Mar 15, 2010, 5:13pm

just saw the pictures and the description of the fights on worldofarmwrestling.if john was a little bit quicker and the fights start in the middle of the table or closer to it after the go.john would won easy 3-0 .the hit of Arsen is everything against john. john is better and stronger in every other areas.every fight for John start near the pad.i think that if Devon is going to face Arsen he have to work on his speed and reaction.i think that john is in amazing shape but i think he was not ready for the incredible speed of Arsen.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by justinkopa on Mar 15, 2010, 5:33pm

Mar 15, 2010, 5:13pm, yuvalbar wrote:

just saw the pictures and the description of the fights on worldofarmwrestling.if john was a little bit quicker and the fights start in the middle of the table or closer to it after the go.john would won easy 3-0 .the hit of Arsen is everything against john. john is better and stronger in every other areas.every fight for John start near the pad.i think that if Devon is going to face Arsen he have to work on his speed and reaction.i think that john is in amazing shape but i think he was not ready for the incredible speed of Arsen.

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF!!!!! No what IFS. Only what was. END OF

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 15, 2010, 6:14pm

Wow Kopa, didn't know that people weren't allowed to annalize the matches, lol. JK man, good luck with your upcoming match. Can't wait to see it.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by yuvalbar on Mar 15, 2010, 6:32pm

its not just if and if. Arsen won but John is better and stronger at 95kg the next time its not going to be so close

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshhandeland on Mar 15, 2010, 6:37pm

I agree with Kopa and why isn't it going to be close next time? Is John somehow going to get a lot stronger, or is Arsen going to get weaker? Or lose his hit? Somehow I doubt it.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by yuvalbar on Mar 15, 2010, 6:45pm

no John is going to be quicker and smarter he would find a way to stop Arsen hit. i dont think he is working on that area much(speed).

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floydcolley on Mar 15, 2010, 8:39pm

I dont know why people are making excuses for John, I dont see him making any for himself. He knows what weight he pulls best at and im sure hes was confident going in at what he did. Im sure John would say Arsen was just the better puller that day. Maybe John likes to keep it competitive and staying close or under his opponents weight. Maybe he could have came in at 225lb and won it but he chose to go in lower. Im sure he knew what he was doing, he's only been doing this for for like 30 years!!!

BTW John, You are still the MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ryanphillips on Mar 15, 2010, 9:42pm

no one is making excuses for john. i think people are just saying that "this" is what john needs to do to beat arsen. work on his speed off the go to stop arsens massive hit, cause if he loses that against john then the match would go very differently.

i think if they were to pull again at 95kg now that john has faced him and knows what arsen feels like it would be easier for him to train for cause he knows what he has to do to.

im sure people would say the same thing if arsen lost. that he needs to work on this or that and if he was faster he would have won etc etc.

arsen is the man at 95kg right now though. they both had the same disadvantage of not knowing how the other would feel since it was the first time they pulled in a serious match and arsen came out on top.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 16, 2010, 3:01am

Mar 14, 2010, 5:48pm, enginterzi wrote:

it was the first time ever that Arsen`s wrist was toprolled..

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 16, 2010, 3:03am

Mar 15, 2010, 5:13pm, yuvalbar wrote:

From what I saw and read from Charlie at WoA I have to agree, that John probably was the stronger man, but Arsen was way more explosive and had much better starts to put John in badder positions. I'm very impressed by both! Arsen for his win and John for his way he won the matches.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by floriankellersmann on Mar 16, 2010, 3:05am

Time to film Pulling John II 8-)

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 16, 2010, 3:09am

some more pictures at http://www.enginterzi.net/forum/index.php?topic=459.0

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 16, 2010, 4:53am

explosive starts require strength as well..static solidness provides you to hit first.they both are strong but John has better endurance and Arsen has better explosiveness.

Arsen is like a 100 meter runner who can run up to 400 meter.John is like a 200 meter runner who can run up to 1500 meter and Devon is like a 800 meter runner who can run up to 5000 meter or even marathon.

if anyone thinks that anyone who is as fast as Arsen can pin John quickly just because of speed factor,is mistaking.John's reaction may not be as fast as Arsen's but that is not only about quicker start but also about having a better 0-60 performance.Arsen has one super move and he transferred all he has into this one perfect move while John's strength,ability and concentration is divided into many different styles that make him the best well rounded athlete ever lived.for sure John knows armwrestling better than all of us including Arsen,so one either needs to overpower him or put him into a bad position to balance the match.anyone with close strength or endurance to John's,has no chance to beat John.he will find your weakness and use it to beat you.

i dont know what you guys mean by saying "strength" but strength can not be explained that simple.i believe that Arsen is as strong as John or even stronger but John's strength is 100% translated into armwrestling while Arsen's is divided between armwrestling and weight lifting.because of this John has much better co-ordination between his armwrestling related muscle groups while Arsen's is as good as his weight lifting based explosiveness.the only way Arsen to beat John was either an explosive hit to reach pin pad or again an explosive hit to put John in a terrible position to balance the match.

so in short it was a war between an explosive power that is built by extreme weight lifting training and an educated power that is built by armwrestling.weight lifting based power can provide a maximized strength for you know the amounts of the weights to be able to increase them,while in armwrestling you can train yourself as strong as your partners' performance and as good as your training partners' abilities.so it is not a white or black thing.i would choose to balance both type of trainings if my elbow was healthy but lately i realise that if i have to choose one of them i choose armwrestling training.because i know how to armwrestle and i can get more from the table trainings than the weight lifting.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 16, 2010, 5:18am

Mar 14, 2010, 3:39am, bruceurabe wrote:

Also btw it sounds the matches weren't decidedly in Arsens favor either.

was there any doubt about it? during the matches both athletes were not happy with their position.Arsen has a small thumb and he pulls his thumb back to cause John to have a low grip.so when John gets his grip Arsen was complaining his knuckle and when John was asked to show his knuckle then John was complaining for having a low grip.it was so hard to please both sides but i think i did as good as possible to provide a fair grip.Arsen's wrist was bent in during the set ups and i warned him minimum 20 times but he said it happened because of John's supinated grip.so again there i had a hard time but again did my best to please both sides.there were movements during the refs grip but i had already told them long before the matches that i will try not to call any foul before the matches start.i told them i was gonna call fouls only during the matches.

all i know that i reffed the match with 100% good intention and did my best to provide a fair match.i even decided to end the match with a tie (2-2) as both athletes were ok with any kind of desicion and i sure was not gonna declare a winner because of the unclear situation at the 5. round,but the sponsor Mehmet Colakoglu wanted everything to go as planned which was best out of 5.

after both athletes accepted to pull oe last round i personally thought that John was gonna win the re-match because of his better endurance but i then realised that holding Arsen in such a bad position took all his power away and nothing was left for one more match.

PAL has set a vendetta between Rustam n Arsen for this summer and the winner will face John in Vegas.so be ready to face incredible things this year!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by scottwright on Mar 16, 2010, 8:59am

Great pics, thanks Engin.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ryanphillips on Mar 16, 2010, 9:27am

Mar 16, 2010, 5:18am, enginterzi wrote:

PAL has set a vendetta between Rustam n Arsen for this summer and the winner will face John in Vegas.so be ready to face incredible things this year!

will these matches be at 95kg again or open weight engin? i would really love to see john pull arsen again (if he beats rustam) at 95kg because of how close this first supermatch was. i think john could come back strong and take arsen if we works on his starting speed.

what do you think john should work on engin? would giving his giving his rotator up straight from the go and going into a defensive hook work so that arsen as to pull through john's bicep from the start. cause it looks like if he is trying to hit into arsens hit, he is getting beaten by arsens speed and explosive power. what do you think? im sure john knows best, but it would be good to hear your thoughts.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by enginterzi on Mar 16, 2010, 10:15am

it will be at 95kg again.i no way would give advice to John as long he does not ask my opinion,esspecially front of everyone.as you wrote he knows the best.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by joshdale on Mar 16, 2010, 10:40am

Great pics and write-ups Engin! Thanks for sharing!

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by arturogarcia on Mar 16, 2010, 10:57am

This is just from the point of view of a fan, not a puller: I wish the sport had more money involved. With more money, maybe John wouldn't feel the need to pull various classes, and he'd stay heavier, therefore winning with less trouble, therefore less chance of injury and less wear and tear on his old(!!!) joints, therefore maybe still dominating for another 25 years.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by kennyflynn on Mar 16, 2010, 11:07am

Great match-up Engin, over 27,OOO views and 21 pages of comments you are also a World Class Promoter as well.

Re: John vs Arsen- time has come!
Post by ryanphillips on Mar 16, 2010, 12:49pm